Wednesday, October 25, 2006

Is Fedora the new Slackware ?

Well, Fedora Core 6 finally released after a couple of delays. Here is the official announcement. As I say this, the fedora site seems to be down , maybe because of the number of downloads taking place currently. What's interesting to note here is the community buzz surrounding this release of Fedora Core. There is none!

fc6

The one good review I found is available here. Rahul Sundaram has his 'Inside Fedora Core 6' article on RedHat Magazine. Of course Slashdot and Digg did carry the release coverage and the news made it to the front page.


But what is missing here is the Linux newbie reviews. The teenager who got his first copy of the Fedora Core distro and ran to blog about it. The 'Fedora Core rokxorx!' reviews are missing. Where are the kids running wild on digg claiming 'Ubuntu is teh hakxor OS, Windows sucks!'. All this reminds me of 2002-03 when RedHat 8/9 was at it's peak and each release of RedHat was greeted with the same fanfare and festive planning that Ubuntu receives today. RedHat replaced Debian/Slackware as the desktop distribution back then and now Ubuntu seems to be returning the favor. Slackware 10 was the last Slack distribution I tried out from before I stopped paying attention to it.


For a second, let's consider Google Trends as a worthy benchmark to measure buzztivity (activity around a buzzword). Here's what I see for a comparision of ubuntu and fedora.

Red Line is 'fedora' and blue is 'ubuntu'

ubuntu_vs_fedora

Dear Fedora Project,

Your audience seems to be getting disinterested. The zealotry is missing. New users are looking elsewhere for cutting-edge goodness. The only user's still loyal to you are System Administrators who have made the move from using a RedHat based distribution on their servers to their desktop/laptop and the only reason why they are using it is because they refuse to learn apt/dpkg. Your hype-crankers have deserted you and the few loyalists still lurking around are getting frustrated for lack of freedom. At this point you are even re-thinking the community edition as the 'market-size' is unknown.

Hope, you get well soon.

- An Ex-RedHat 9 user


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21 Comments:

At 11:11 PM, October 25, 2006, Blogger Kasto said...

There are two broad categories of Linux users 1) Who just expect a distro to work and just want an opensource alternative to Windoze 2) Geeks and hackers who are excited abt fixing and tweaking things.

In my opinion, watz happening to Fedora is, it is becoming too perfect. When category 1) is happy, they won't be excited about any new release bcos they already have wat they want. Category 2) don't see much scope to play. Hence, FC releases are not so happening these days.

 
At 2:25 PM, October 26, 2006, Blogger Abishek Goda said...

I guess kasto there is quite right. I moved away from using Redhat for something similar. But is it getting perfect? I do not know for sure. The stability in Rh9 seems to be absent in fedora and is seemingly more present in debian(stable)/ubuntu distros.

 
At 3:04 PM, October 26, 2006, Blogger Toufeeq said...

@{kasto,abishek}
So Fedora is getting too perfect that uber-geeks are now finding it boring. Has Fedora accomplished the 'It just Works' holy-grail which every Linux distribution aims for ?

I think the problem with fedora is the lack of flexibility which makes uber-geeks sneer at it. The default install is bloated and the choice is packages is limited when compared to Debian based distros.

 
At 4:32 PM, October 26, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The traffic on the mirrors is unprecedented causing both the Red Hat servers and the Fedora mirrors to slow down very much.

http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2006/10/25/fedora_stops_the_download_madness/

Fedora Core 6 reviews has been flowing in as usual. I see no slowdown at all

http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=16290

 
At 4:48 PM, October 26, 2006, Blogger Toufeeq said...

@Anonymous :
Good to hear that (the reviews i.e)

I would like to see newbies try out Fedora Core rather than the same old-timers upgrading their FC5 distro's.

 
At 6:12 AM, October 27, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

A bit of alarmist posting. Many people are quite excited about it, as you'll see in IRC rooms. Also, see my blog posts from yesterday back a few days. It's almost all been about FC6.


http://server.ericsbinaryworld.com/blog/

 
At 6:16 AM, October 27, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Before Fedora becomes the next Slackware hell will freeze over... ;-)
Fedora has its place and followers but Slack has rock solid stability that Fedora can only hope for.
Where Fedora has made in-roads is in the installation friendliness and management tools (a-la-windows) but then again Slack is not for the faint of heart and they tell you that right up-front.

 
At 6:47 AM, October 27, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not in a rush to upgrade my FC5 box because 1. it works; 2. I'll let someone else work out the FC6 kinks. This is a good sign for the project. I suspect very few people are in a mad rush to get FC6 to fix ten billion documented bugs, unlike some other crappy distros.

 
At 8:18 AM, October 27, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm still trying to figure out why people keep trying to make competition between fedora and ubuntu...

What is the point, exactly?

I use and like them both, myself, and see plenty of room for both in the linux world.

Ubuntu gets the buzz because it is newer, does a much (much) better job of marketing itself, etc.

One day it will also be one-upped by some up-and-coming project. Such is the way of things in Linux. Everyone is always building on top of the community's accomplishments.

Which is exactly how it should be.

 
At 8:22 AM, October 27, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

My university got one copy of FC6 via bittorrent, then distributed it via ftp to a few thousand the first day and a couple of more thousand the next. Since the computer science department and computer center standardized on FC, there are a lot of computers using it.

So, every copy downloaded the first day from RH as the potential to be downloaded multiple times. Sounds like a groundswell to me.

--AR

 
At 9:06 AM, October 27, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

So lamers like yourself aren't shrieking like a bunch of Braindead Monkeys over Fedora 6? That's a *GOOD THING* The *LAST THING* Fedora needs is the attention of former Amiga and Be fanboys. It's the fastest way to utterly ruin fedora.

 
At 9:58 AM, October 27, 2006, Blogger Toufeeq said...

"Also, see my blog posts from yesterday back a few days. It's almost all been about FC6."

Cool keep up the good work on pushing Fedora, We need more people spreading the word.

 
At 10:00 AM, October 27, 2006, Blogger Toufeeq said...

"Fedora has its place and followers but Slack has rock solid stability that Fedora can only hope for."

Yes, Slackware is way way ahead in terms of stability. My comparison of Fedora with Slackware is w.r.t to attracting new users (unlike say Ubuntu) where it doesn't seem to making much headway.

 
At 12:57 PM, October 27, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Yes, Slackware is way way ahead in terms of stability"

So. Do you want to be great or do you want to be popular? Popularity means nothing. After all, Windows XP is much more "popular", isn't it? (smirk)

 
At 1:07 PM, October 27, 2006, Blogger Toufeeq said...

"Do you want to be great or do you want to be popular"

For Linux distributions in general to grow, word of mouth is important. Once the community starts to become a silent majority, growth stops.

 
At 9:27 PM, October 27, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Remember that slackware (or any other major distro for that matter) doesn't make a release every 6 to 9 months like Fedora does. With that many releases it's going to be hard to generate a huge amount of buzz every time. But in the first few days of release there have been many tens-of-thousands of downloads already. Everything is just fine.

 
At 9:58 AM, October 29, 2006, Anonymous Ian said...

toufeeq: The default install actually shrunk between FCs 5 and 6, and as for flexibility the installer now lets you tap into external yum repositories during the initial install (with full dependency resolution, of course). So between Fedora Extras, FreshRPMs, ATRPMs, Livna, and PlanetCCRMA (to name 4 major FC sites) I would say Fedora wins bigtime on choice of packages. And it's dead easy to add more later. Bottom line: Fedora just works, and you don't sacrifice anything for it anymore.

 
At 3:07 AM, January 03, 2007, Anonymous Anonymous said...

the real test for a distro comes when u try to run multiple applications on it

sometimes intentionally to test ur ground

i have a 5 yr old comp
redhat was great for high workload , even fedora 1
was ok

when i got dataone broadband i downloaded fc5

but alas .In 2 days i knew its true colour.Crashes,hangs and yum(hate that word too)

Its predecessor fc6 is somewhat faster but i was surprised it couldn't set my i810 card resolution properly

the last time i had sch problem was with slackware 3.2 !!

I'll only install future fedoras after trying their BLAG releases.

 
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